Saturday, November 22, 2008

Me+Dana+politcs

Outer church+ Dana+ Me=politics

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Ugh I just made a theory joke using my own theory. I am going to fucking hell. So STAY BACK because if you think I am going without dragging a few people with me you are sorely mistaken.

CherryTree654
<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:14:28 PM):
in reference to your blog:
so politics is something that comes to an end once the oc realizes that there is no politics?

in other words, politics exist only so long as they are recognized by the group?
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:15:20 PM): I think that is what I ended up deciding while I was at work today
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:15:33 PM): it is possible for a relationship to excist in a pure form
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:15:49 PM): but as soon as it becomes recognized by the OC then it becomes politics
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:16:02 PM): what do you mean by pure form?
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:16:53 PM): like the time between when you start a relationship with someone and the time when somone else finds out about it
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:17:31 PM): I've never seen it happen and that paticular idea excists only for contrast
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:17:50 PM): ohhh!
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:19:16 PM): yeah I mean its nearly impossible
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:19:33 PM): what about the two people in the relationship before the news gets around. does their knowing create politics?
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:19:46 PM): as soon as someone says "hey you should meet htis guy Adam" then your activities become monitored
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:19:59 PM): hmm.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:20:09 PM): see these two people would have to be in a bloody vaccume
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:20:34 PM): because the monitoring process effects everything somehow
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:20:57 PM): that's so true. before anyone knew adam and i liked each other, they already knew before.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:20:57 PM): ...to do better than "somehow" I need to do some extra reading
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:22:14 PM): this kinda reminds me of cause and effect
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:22:35 PM): the effect comes first. like a pin prick.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:23:04 PM): eh sorta but definatly less a/b causal than that
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:23:27 PM): for the sake of contrast.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:23:31 PM): ah yeah
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:24:21 PM): so kinda like a network of cause and effect.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:25:14 PM): yeah more or less
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:25:27 PM): but I like to think of it more as a network of self regulation
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:25:33 PM): fascinating
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:25:34 PM): but I didn't get around to really explaining that
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:26:25 PM): i almost left a comment asking you to explain and then realized that i'd get immediate gratification just IMing
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:26:46 PM): well you are lucky I was paying atension
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:27:03 PM): indeed
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:27:22 PM): so explain a network of self-regulation
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:28:04 PM): alright hold on one second
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:28:45 PM): k.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:28:46 PM): I was playing a video game and I needed to exit it
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:28:53 PM): haha
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:30:38 PM): alright the idea behind the outer church is that it is your group of people you end up associating with
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:30:46 PM): I said that much
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:30:49 PM): right
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:18 PM): now these people influence your life
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:26 PM): you associate with them because you like them
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:32 PM): respect them
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:34 PM): et cetera
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:35 PM): generally
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:31:41 PM): teehee
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:32:06 PM): well the people you don't like generally aren't included in the OC because they are easter to say fuck off too
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:32:16 PM): right
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:32:18 PM): anyway, all groups of people have a dynamic
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:32:31 PM): there are rules to follow and obey
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:32:51 PM): they are just certain codes that everyone follows
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:33:00 PM): like not buying the same shirt as someone else
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:33:20 PM): hmm
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:34:15 PM): there are lots of these little rules
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:34:49 PM): so cheating would be anything that goes against the group codes and variations
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:35:06 PM): erm...that is a part of it
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:35:22 PM): lets say I was dating someone
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:35:26 PM): then I slept with somoene else
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:35:38 PM): right
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:36:07 PM): if my OC hated my current girlfriend but loved the girl I cheated on her with then there is a chance that... argh I need to back up
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:36:45 PM): when you form a new politics the whole staus quo changes and there are usually massive shifts within the OC should the politics percist
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:36:52 PM): you've seen this yourself
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:37:07 PM): yea
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:37:11 PM): you have new people in your life that weren't there before, new people who you care about and they care about you
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:38:02 PM): as a result everything you do within your political unit matters
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:38:10 PM): right
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:38:11 PM): to the people aorund you in term of the status quo
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:38:42 PM): if I were to cheat on my said girlfriend with someone else it would cause a tidle wave of shit both within the OC
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:39:02 PM): this would be espcially true if it was with another memeber of the OC
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:39:12 PM): true
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:39:13 PM): ...I think
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:40:25 PM): now if the group hated my girlfriend but loved the girl I sorta fucked on the side...it wouldn't be cheating per say because it would be the groups best interest that I be with this other girl
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:40:42 PM): i disagree
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:40:43 PM): but it would still be cheating
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:41:05 PM): right
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:41:16 PM): the outer church has a regulatory function not a moral one
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:41:57 PM): the inverse of what I just described is where it is at though
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:42:05 PM): where they see something as cheating when it isn't
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:44:29 PM): then they start doing this wierd judgemental thing where they are looking out for the interest of the group when there is no interest needing to be looked out for
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:45:42 PM): so the inverse is the policing of someone's behavior if it is in violation of the code whether or not they are in the OC?
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:46:05 PM): if only by extension that is
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:47:11 PM): the inverse I was talking about was the inverse of the example whereas before I was cheating on my gf with someone else...now I am not cheating but everyone thinks so
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:47:20 PM): the policing is still going to happen no matter what
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:47:42 PM): one of the wierd things about this is that it is really turning my ideas regarding self interest on its head
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:48:05 PM): how do you mean?
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:48:07 PM): other people's relationships form this whole group menality around people
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:48:21 PM): you know self interest, selfishness, all these things
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:48:40 PM): look at me I am a loner, I'm sitting in my tailer playing video games not talking to anyone untill you came along
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:48:49 PM): but this is all group group group
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:49:02 PM): so much of it isn't about the individual
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:49:25 PM): and being anti individual is practicaly being anti american
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:49:50 PM): almost communist
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:50:14 PM): eh more mob mentality actually
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:50:32 PM): hence, almost
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:50:54 PM): I called it the outer church because there is a definate hiarchy involved
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:51:07 PM): sometimes there a definate leaders
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:51:23 PM): they are in of themselves their own microcosmic society
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:51:34 PM): anime club is such a great example
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:51:42 PM): there you go
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:51:57 PM): an even better example would be the group of us ourside of the library
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:52:02 PM): but you don't go there
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:52:18 PM): i do on tuesdays and thursdays
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:52:35 PM): oh is Ian there?
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:52:57 PM): i have no idea. i'm a low man on the totem pole
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:53:14 PM): heh ian is regulatory function incarnate
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:53:21 PM): its one of the reasons why I like him
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:54:12 PM): http://www.myspace.com/self_aware_object
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:54:30 PM): great html
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:55:10 PM): i saw him the last time i was there. i thought he seemed like a prick
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:55:30 PM): he is but that is also why I like him alot
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:55:35 PM): he makes no bones about it
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:56:00 PM): i saw him as i was saying hi to tyler
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:56:40 PM): I don't know who that is
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:57:00 PM): anyway I realized that I actually need to do reading to figgure out some of the ins and outs of this
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:57:13 PM): I need to dig out my copy of violence and the sacred
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:57:25 PM): and I think I will end up reading disciplin and punish
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:58:12 PM): because I think there is ALOT to be said about the punitive function of the OC
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:58:39 PM): no doubt.
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:59:00 PM): you should write a book about your theory
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:59:27 PM): heh I was thinking that, but I need to start assembling a bibliography
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:59:37 PM): and start backing up some of the claims
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:59:43 PM): like the 250 people thing is real
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (11:59:48 PM): I just need to go find it
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:00:38 AM): but yeah I'm kinda excited because it feels like theory...only fun because I'm writting it
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:02:13 AM): it is very fascinating. when you do ever get around to writing it, you have to let me read it first
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:02:43 AM): well you'd prolly be involved throughout the whole process
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:02:59 AM): its not the sort of thing you can do without constant criticism
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:03:11 AM): i can so do that.
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:04:11 AM): i should really just bite the bullet and do what i wanted to do before and start a publishing house
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:04:45 AM): maybe someone will die and leave me money!! (wishful thinking)
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:04:53 AM): that's horible
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:05:06 AM): it was supposed to be funny
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:05:12 AM): you should just start researching grants
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:05:20 AM): there is tons of money for stuff like this
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:05:48 AM): ...oh heh I take dreams seriously
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:07:46 AM): yes. i should. but right now. i need to sleep because i need to wake up at an ungodly hour and write a two page critical response to foucault.
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:08:17 AM): why not just do it now?
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:08:18 AM): i guess i'll see you tomorrow at school?
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:08:25 AM): I should be there
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:08:39 AM): I have your ziezak or however the hell you spell his name
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:08:55 AM): because i'm just getting over a severe migraine and the last thing i need to do is strain my eyes
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:16 AM): ah I'm posting most of this conversation by the way
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:24 AM): oh great. can't wait
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:33 AM): because I can't be bothered to translate it
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:36 AM): that's fine
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:41 AM): into a single post
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:45 AM): yay thanks
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:55 AM): okay go to bed
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:59 AM): and wake up
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:09:59 AM): night
C0MTE<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:10:05 AM): see you tomarrow
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:10:06 AM): i wil
CherryTree654<..timestamp style="display: inline; font-size: 11px;"> (12:10:13 AM): ttyl

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